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Your Middle Managers are Trash. Don’t Let them Gaslight You

TC: 325 YOE:6 I’ve been working in big tech for about 4 years. Prior to my time at Meta and before TikTok, I was in the Air Force as Pararescue. I then earned a Masters in Political Science. I’ve been published 6 times. I then worked at US State Department where I managed teams of 60 and published reports that have made it into the PDB. I took a role as an IC in tech because government work doesn’t pay particularly well. Suffice to say, in addition to my technical role, I’m also a domain subject matter expert. Since joining big tech, I’ve been flabbergasted at the amount of gaslighting I’ve seen with mid level managers and even directors. Managers will often flaunt their position and exploit it in order to go on trips that are unnecessary and irrelevant, they often turn down ideas from subordinates who have far more experience only to discover that person was right down the road, and they love to hoard information. For organizations that pride themselves on being flat, there’s an excessive amount of hierarchical stovepipes that are manifesting. Managers also LOVE meetings. Any opportunity to get in front of their boss to get a belly rub. They have no agenda, they talk about nothing and congratulate themselves on work that the ICs did. The lack of leadership that can be emulated is sick. There are literally kids with undergraduate degrees gaslighting ICs with PHds and actual, real world subject matter expertise into thinking their ideas are irrelevant. It would be unheard of for a fresh Air Force Academy Graduate to tell a Flight Chief that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Basically there’s no leadership worthy of learning from in Tech because the experienced folks are on the bottom of the pyramid not at the top. These asshats will then PIP people while never having to worry about it themselves. Awful system. My point is, if you’re an IC who has practical experience, don’t listen to these absolute tool sheds who are implying that you don’t know what they do. They have the job because they were there when opportunity arrived or were hired by someone who was not because they earned it. You know what you’ve done. Remember your worth Gut middle management!

Walmart Dk78lbl Jan 22

Have you seen margin call ? It’s just like that everywhere. The higher you go the more gas you find.

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gf4NL8uU-c Jan 22

Thanks for the rec

Google bobthebear Jan 22

you're experiencing this at TikTok?

ByteDance winnie 🐻 Jan 22

What’s gaslighting mean?

Hubspot HiPerform🤡 Jan 23

Raj, it’s the use of deceit to manipulate into what they want.

Jacobs glvsnost Jan 23

That is incorrect Abdul, gaslighting is making someone believe they said or did something wrong when there is no premise. For example, "I told you explicitly last week that I need this report done by Friday night. Why are you still working on it?". When this in reality never happened and boss is trying to create false perception.

Intuit LeetThis! Jan 22

Shit roles downhill. Chances are middle management is just reflecting the desires of the people at the top.

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gf4NL8uU-c Jan 22

Not necessarily. Middle management often keeps things away from executives to show that they’re doing real good

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KNbG36 Jan 23

Middle managers are the largest road blocks in a company trying to enact change.

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gf4NL8uU-c Jan 22

Agreed. Middle management- people managers (manager, sr manager, director, sr director) are awful. They are often incompetent, try to learn from direct reports, hoard info on people, collect info from you and put people against you since nobody double check the facts, assign you impossible tasks that they themselves cannot do or provide guidance and so on. It’s not just younger people, experienced managers do this too. they are way more manipulative and intentionally misinterpret info. And that’s the experience I had at one of the ‘world’s best companies to work for’ Feel free to dm if you want to connect on this topic

Apple npk95 Jan 22

I did not know gaslighting until my manager did it to me .. I know he is not that good in his previous jobs but he speaks as if he knows everything.

Amazon аmаzon Jan 22

What really opened my eyes to this fact was the book "Bullshit Jobs: a Theory" by David Graeber

PayPal zSa2tPi Jan 22

thanks timtok

MathWorks ozark091 Jan 22

You forgot the lying and pretending to care about you part. I think someone should develop a workable corporate model where incentives to become a manager are very few. Most of the smart ICs that I know of are very capable of talking to a CEO or to a fresh grad. Can someone who is a manager outline what their job description entails except managing 4 people plus preparing the budget and goals for the team?

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gf4NL8uU-c Jan 22

Plus actively stopping direct reports promotion and dragging their career backwards

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KNbG36 Jan 23

This is the way things used to be in the 90s early 2000s, managers didn't get in the way of good ideas. I'm not sure what changed but tech is pretty toxic now.

HP MaUA37 Jan 22

Welcome to Earth Also, no wonder you’ve been published so many times geez