Apple offer eval

Postmates 😘Alao
Sep 25, 2018 38 Comments

What do you think of the following for SW ICT3?

- base: 166k
- RSU: 230k over 4 years
- cash bonus: 10-15%
- refresher: 45k
- sign-on: 100k

The recruiter said this is basically the highest for ICT3, and that only way higher is going ICT4 (in terms of the offer).

Also, once starting at Apple, how long would it take to get ICT4, considering that the recruiter mentioned I’m being brought in at the high end of ICT3? Also, how much of the TC bump would it bring?

UPDATE: 10 yoe, 4-5 relevant

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TOP 38 Comments
  • Microsoft IEjP42
    That’s huge
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Aurora bystander!
      That’s what she said.
      Sep 25, 2018
  • Apple Ltnwd32
    Huge indeed, we don’t go that high for ICT3 in my org (SWE)
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      What’s SWE org?
      Sep 26, 2018
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    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      How so? Based on performance?
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng @-63$!:&:8
    Yoe? Sounds like an excellent ICT3 offer
    Sep 25, 2018 0
  • Apple GtCI06
    Damn! I got 150k base on ICT3. I screwed up on RSUs at 105k now that I see your offer. Also, refreshers and bonus are not guaranteed and will be prorated on your first year, in case that matter for you. Which org? I’m in SWE
    Sep 25, 2018 3
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      What’s SWE? I’m at Apple Media Group. What do you mean refresher and bonus aren’t guaranteed? Thought all companies give them out yearly, varying in amounts based on performance.
      Sep 26, 2018
    • Apple GtCI06
      That’s exactly what I meant by “not guaranteed.” Specially for refreshers, the average is just that, an average. Can be more can be less, based not only in your performance, but also visibility of your team/group/org.

      About the org, are you referring by any chance to Interactive Multimedia Group, IMG for short? Cause that’s is SWE (Craig’s org)
      Sep 26, 2018
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Got it.

      I don’t think it’s the same org. This org is under Eddy, I believe.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple mavengence
    I’m not sure if they pay much attention to .org for TC. My org was IS&T and I still got a decent offer. Maybe 5-10k difference but not much beyond that. IS&T is supposed to be the bottom org.
    Dec 8, 2018 1
    • Apple GtCI06
      Well, only AI is a step ahead. The rat, as you mention, are quite close to each other
      Dec 8, 2018
  • Apple / Eng UuDq31
    Wow.. Apple gives out such high offers for ict3 . This is better than many ict4 offers I know
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      I was told this is basically the highest Apple goes for ICT3. I’d guess ranges for each lvls overlap in the lowest and highest ends, so I guess that proves this is indeed at the highest end of T3 range?
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple German
    Troll...these are not ICT3 numbers..
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      I had another offer at higher lvl with better package from a private company. They competed with that with this lvl. I chose this to get experience over $.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple soups
    What org? Swe or ML/AI? YOE?
    ICT4 maybe in 2 years. You are at ICT4 band already so you won’t get too much of a bump. Most early stage ICT4s I know don’t have 166 base.. this is really high already
    Also, how do you know your refresher? 45k is fairly low.. you should get 60-80k
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Apple Media Group? (Haven’t nailed org names and and things down yet). Not much bump for ICT4 is kinda disappointing :( I had another big offer I let go that I was hoping to catch up to soon.

      As for refresher, that’s what the recruiter told me. She says this is if I get meets expectation rating. Hope this means with better perf rating I’d be able to hit that 60-80k range!
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Aurora bystander!
    YOE?
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Updated.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • LinkedIn G-MEIND
    Great sign on
    Sep 25, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Yeah it was really hard to get this number. Initial offer had half this amount.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    GdXf58

    Apple Eng

    PRE
    Apple
    GdXf58more
    Honestly this is close to what I got. I am ICT5
    Sep 25, 2018 3
    • Apple crook
      Wow, you're seriously underpaid dude.
      Sep 25, 2018
    • Apple / Eng MakingIt
      That’s the sign on rsu. It’s there to get his beaks wet. Technically it’s 50k rsu refresher. His comp is salary plus 1/4 of that rsu
      Sep 25, 2018
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Yeah as @MakingIt says, RSU is spread across 4 yrs. Hope your TC is better than this.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple GtCI06
    Following up on a previous comment, is this for IMG? If so, that’s not AI org.
    If it’s IMG, I joined a year ago as ICT3 at 150k base with 5 yoe. Not as awesome as I’d like it to be but, for your “relevant” toe seems like you got a nice deal. If your org is AI org, I think you can squeeze a bit more these days
    Dec 8, 2018 2
    • Postmates / Eng
      😘wqa

      Postmates Eng

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      😘wqamore
      What’s IMG?
      Dec 9, 2018
    • Apple GtCI06
      One of the groups in SWE org
      Dec 10, 2018
  • Apple mavengence
    I was offered 140k base 105k rsu and 20k sign on for ict3. I had 4 years of experience so your offer seems fair for ict3 with 10 years experience!
    Dec 8, 2018 2
    • Apple Ni hao
      Same here ..30K sign on though
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Visa / Eng Jdmfe
      How much is your refresher?
      Aug 6
  • Intel RunnerUp
    This seems fake. The ict3 numbers max out way below these. And nobody mentions the refresher amount in their offer. It's entirely perf based.
    Sep 26, 2018 2
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Is that so? She told me this amount will be for avg performance. As for max, it seems to vary greatly per org? I’ve seen an offer for ICT3 at Siri org that was better than this.
      Sep 26, 2018
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      As for “nobody mentions the refresher..”, this seems to go against the norm I’ve come to expect from looking at other Blind posts and the offers I got. All of them gave me the average cash bonus and refresher amounts.
      Sep 26, 2018
  • Apple / Eng 8Something
    This is a ridiculous ICT3 offer. Far exceeds anything I've seen and is definitely out of guidelines.
    Sep 28, 2018 1
    • Postmates 😘Alao
      OP
      Does it? I’ve seen some better numbers on Blind
      Sep 28, 2018