Why police officers make more than FANG software engineers?

New / EngTC++
Mar 8 78 Comments

Check out police officer TCs in Mountain View:
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/mountain-view/

That's more than Google and FB engineers. Seems very unfair.

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  • Bullying minorities is tough work
    Mar 84
    • Airbnb / Engcaudex
      Company checks out. I think at least 50% of the cops I’ve seen in SF are minorities.
      Mar 8
    • Unity / Sales
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      Minorities can still bully other minorities when it's generally acceptable among their cop peers. Everybody has the potential to be asshole.
      Mar 9
    • Airbnb / Engcaudex
      Everyone also has the potential to not be an asshole
      Mar 9
    • Salesforce SSCU75
      RISE UP! 😤
      Mar 10
  • Microsoft innocent
    Because they risk lives doing the job
    Mar 813
    • Microsoft M💰FT
      Are you dumb? Their job is literally to interact with society’s worst on a daily basis. Odds are not negligible.
      Mar 8
    • Salesforce namehere1
      Under the same comparison, your odds of dying on your job are A LOT lower than an officer. Thus, they get more. Does it make sense?
      Mar 8
    • New / EngTC++
      OP
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft innocent
      Their odds of being killed during career is much higher than code monkeys. It's a shitty job very few people want to do.
      Mar 8
    • LEOs do have a shitty job but there are plenty of people who want the job. Some because they want power over others
      Mar 8
    • Oracle now@google
      With these TCs police jobs are almost as competitive as FANG jobs.
      https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Thousands-Apply-to-be-SDPD-Officers-Each-Year-423089874.html
      Mar 8
    • Facebook / QAWPBL01
      Why are bartenders so high on the list?
      Mar 8
    • LinkedIn YrjoWashin
      Likely due to having to also deal with violent and drunk people.
      Mar 8
    • Apple KGHP41
      lol sure. Shooting people might kill you due to heart attacks.
      Mar 8
    • Salesforce SSCU75
      H1B for a police job! You can get the immigrants to take the bullets for murica, and pay them a bit less. Get on it, Trump!
      Mar 10
  • Are FAANG engineers getting shot at?
    Mar 86
    • New / EngTC++
      OP
      In real world shooting with police happens very rarely, unlike what you see in movies. To put things in perspective: on the job fatality rates for police officer is 1/10th that of loggers, 1/4th that of roofers and 70% less than that of taxi drivers. The risk for police offices is highly overblown.
      Mar 8
    • I’d like to see stats on how often cops are shot by their fellow trigger happy officers
      Mar 8
    • Amazon TRuc81
      Are FAANG engineers shooting first?
      Mar 8
    • Uber C H O N K
      Nerf darts sting
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft howser
      “In real world shooting with police happens very rarely, unlike what you see in movies.”

      But it does happen
      Mar 9
  • Microsoft gfba68
    Being a police officer is a much more difficult job
    Mar 83
    • Google QGNW73
      Physically, yes. Technically, no. Apples & Oranges
      Mar 8
    • New / EngTC++
      OP
      It's not a physically demanding job either. They need to pass some physical endure and strength tests to graduate from police school but they don't do anything physically demanding on the job. They are not like construction workers or farmers in terms of physical labor.
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Why should technical knowledge be rewarded more than occassionally being shot at? Don't begrudge them their hazard pay.
      Mar 9
  • Oracle now@google
    Why is it unfair?
    Mar 85
    • Because OP is whiny and entitled. That or a troll.
      Mar 8
    • New / EngTC++
      OP
      I hear all the time how tech workers are paid too much in Bay Area and force out natives. All those morons protesting and blocking Google buses. Sounds like non-techies have it good in Bay Area.
      Mar 8
    • Google hooli.xyz
      @TC++

      “Sounds like non-techies have it good in Bay Area.”

      Just because police officers are paid well doesn’t mean all non-techies are paid well.
      Mar 8
    • Google notez
      Cause they do not produce anything? I always assumed they are poor.
      Mar 8
    • NASDAQ / EngEtdw66
      Look at the breakdown of their pay... first of all most have an insane split of regular and overtime. That means they are working likely more than the average techie at the same pay. Plus their benefits are included there so it’s not even all cash com’p. And what percentile would even hit 200k?
      Mar 8
  • Salesforce namehere1
    Are you working 60 labor hours a week patrolling the streets? You are coming from the mindset of software engineers > police officers.
    What do you think you are? You type on your keyboard stuff you copy from stackoverflow. Get over your overblown self-importance ego.
    Mar 80
  • LinkedIn RandomSwe
    Police officers are nothing but overpaid local bullies and goons with a badge that magically makes them official and legal. Think about it - without that badge, almost everything they do would be a crime.

    Also they have unions which means they can extort high salaries and get them.
    Mar 82
    • New / EngTC++
      OP
      Exactly. Becoming police officer doesn't require any talent. It's mostly underachievers who want power who go into police.
      Mar 8
    • Zynga hmmpf
      Takes a different type of talent. One most SWE I know completely lack!!
      Mar 8
  • Microsoft innocent
    Another reason why their salary is so high is because police departments don't sponsor H1B, which drives the wage lower. Those code monkeys who complain about immigrants and low pay should join the police force.
    Mar 87
    • Facebook int13h
      H1b does not drive wages lower in FANG.
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft innocent
      Yes, they do. If there were no H1B, wages in FANG will be 500K average.
      Mar 8
    • Facebook int13h
      LOL.

      If it wasn’t for h1b, these jobs wouldn’t exist. It’s not a simple supply and demand. It’s not like people who are getting paid more would have changed their jobs to tech.
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft
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      If it wasn’t for H1b, the jobs would be done by the same people in Canada or the UK.

      Then the same employees would start hiring more Americans over there too.

      ...and eventually Silicon Valley gets replaced with a new word tech capitol.
      Mar 8
    • Apple Hansel2
      H1b database is online, kindly share a few low salaries in that DB from FANG
      Mar 8
    • Microsoft innocent
      There are lots of H1Bs get paid under 150K from FANG.
      Mar 9
    • Apple Hansel2
      Lol MS, the database doesn’t record RSU, so TC is a lot higher
      Mar 9
  • Intel / Eng007agt
    they have overtime. Their base salary is competitive though.
    Mar 82
    • Oracle now@google
      To be fair, FANG engineers also work overtime, but without pay.
      Mar 8
    • Intel / Eng007agt
      they also have off duty gigs.
      Mar 8
  • Uber Guiliani
    Only in Murika.... pay for teachers responsible for shaping the future of the country is a tenth of that of pay for cops responsible for ensuring profits for privatized jails by filling them with drug addicts and mentally sick. Huge misalignment of incentives. Have you heard any public official critique this bizarre disparity ?
    Mar 94
    • Oracle now@google
      What do Uber engineers do besides enslaving drivers, creating traffic jams and killing people with self-driving cars?
      Mar 9
    • Uber Guiliani
      Your reasoning makes no sense. How are engineers at Uber relevant to this argument ?
      Mar 9
    • Oracle now@google
      I was not trying to single our Uber, but was trying to point out that cops are not the only ones who are overpaid. I agree that teachers deserve to be paid more, but so are many others.
      Mar 9
    • Uber Guiliani
      You are comparing apples and oranges. Public servants vs private servants.
      Mar 10
  • That’s total pay and benefits, not just salary.
    Mar 81
    • Google / OpsHuhf13
      And it's like 100k of benefits so not a small thing
      Mar 8
  • I would rather pay cops well so we don’t end up with only the idiots taking cop jobs
    Mar 81
    • Amazon TRuc81
      Unfortunately I think the high pay and low requirements discourage that
      Mar 8
  • Google Pazzi
    I have to admit, these salaries are shocking. However, none of our jobs put us at risk of our lives. We don't have to battle wild fires or respond to spousal abuse complaints at 2 am. The worst danger on our jobs is carpel tunnel syndromes or simply feeling bored.
    Mar 110
  • Red Hat TCorNthn
    Have you seen LivePD?
    Mar 80
  • Amazon / Engsos567
    See the breakdown. Lot of it is overtime and benefits
    Mar 80
  • Facebook / Eng
    fb2017

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    How do they interview? Do they test shooting skills? How to test their courage and morality?

    I think it's fair to pay them high. But we also need it to be fair to have the right people.
    Mar 82
    • Microsoft innocent
      You have to attend police academy and pass physical and paper exams. It's way harder than Leetcode
      Mar 8
    • Most cops do it with just a high school education
      Mar 8
  • Salesforce namehere1
    Oh yeah without higher pay you could just bribe them like those in Mexico or India.
    Mar 80
  • KPMG
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    BackClockmore
    I respect all POVs in this thread. I do think that this is unfair and my only reason is that in a way, it discourages education.

    If I were to tell my kids that getting an ivy league PhD will pay you the same as these police officers. I think that's a bit discouraging.

    Everyone works hard in their own way - even the chef in your free food facebook/Google cafeteria works hard. But that's not a good enough reason to level compensation like that.

    Recently there was an article about 3 nurses making over 300k in bay area, and apparently that was a big deal? They are saving lives too!

    I think compensation should be leveled around input / output basis. If someone has worked their butt off (ex. high school GPA -> ivy league school -> top tech company) then that reward should be higher. Also with doctors, they spend so much time in school and when they come out and make good money, it's justified.

    Bottom line - my opinion is that these police salaries are unfair.
    Mar 113
    • Oracle now@google
      What about landscapers, janitors and farm workers? Don’t they work their butts off?
      It is all about supply and demand, not how hard you work.
      Mar 11
    • KPMG
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      That's what I said too. Everyone works hard so its not about just hard work alone. Hence my example of chef at fb / Google. And I do agree with your supply / demand comment. That's a big factor as well.
      Mar 11
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I do not respect your opinion. It is stupid. If you can't raise your children properly, that's your problem. No reasonable person would get discouraged by a cop making this much money. If you don't mind being bored 99% of the time and getting shot at thebother 1%, go be a cop and make that much money. If that doesn't sound good to you, do something else.
      Mar 11
  • You guys should check out
    compensation for Bart employees
    Mar 111
    • Microsoft trollExp
      Why can't we shift H1Bs to BART to drive down their wages so that the ticket price can be reduced
      Mar 11
  • Zynga hmmpf
    Damn those public servants - I wonder how much RSUs they got?
    Mar 81
    • Microsoft innocent
      They don't. But they get pension and free healthcare
      Mar 8
  • Disney / Productzrbt65
    Did you check the ratio of base pay and overtime? Those guys have as much as double in overtime.’
    Mar 90
  • New monomo
    Because they make so much money for the state. Especially Bay area, they are always waiting to give you a ticket.
    Mar 80
  • Microsoft innocent
    Also, they need to solve all types of murder, rape, robbery arson... cases, which are much more complex than the problems code monkeys are solving.
    Mar 80

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