Office LifeMar 20, 2019
MicrosoftlMQO62

“Earn Trust” Tenet is Toxic

The earn trust tenet, a pillar at Amazon, and an implied or otherwise important idea at most other large companies, fuels toxicity and group delusion. Allow me to explain. Western culture became a dominant force in the world due largely to their effective societal organization. I’m focusing here on the concept of trusting your acquaintances as the default, as opposed to many other areas of the world where strangers and acquaintances are considered dangerous. Defaulting to trust spread in large part by English common law, granting their society large freedoms for individuals to work together and engage in prosperous discourse. America took this concept to an even greater extreme, exalting it within their fundamental constitution. What happens if defaulting to trust does not exist? Upon meeting, strangers must expense great effort into safeguarding themselves. This effort comes at enormous every-day cost, and minimizes the opportunity for collaboration in general. In contemporary companies the tenet “earn trust” surely is making an attempt to embrace a trusting social system. However, in practice “earn trust” does not encourage defaulting to trust, at all. Instead it sets up an unfavorable power dynamic between acquaintances, where one group must earn the trust of the other group. This installs a deep sense of superiority in one group over another, and the result is a large stifling of the other group. Their opportunities for collaboration are initially stifled by the onus of building trust. Trust should not be earned, trust should be given by default, in general. If trust is given by default it frees up competent individuals to make better contributions to the company without being stifled. Of course, defaulting to trust requires a competition! Since people will surely break one another’s trust at key moments, companies need a robust system to either fire or rotate incompetence and malice out of positions of influence. In contemporary companies, the system is largely frozen in fear of political lawsuits, or expensive severance allowances. Instead, we all operate where the fundamental assumption is: you aren’t trustworthy. You are guilty until proven innocent. Entire groups and entire orgs are able to justify group delusions, simply because “the other group didn’t earn enough trust”. It is easy to blame the “poor performers” because they “didn’t earn trust”, regardless of any large problems within a company, that might have nothing to do with the victims who are blamed. Earning trust is easily abused, and undermines basic western cultural practice. The people who originally installed this tenet lacked foresight and wisdom.

Microsoft bigsixhero Mar 20, 2019

Why does some "tenant" at some random company matter to you?

Cisco SLmG30 Mar 20, 2019

Because Amazon is a major player in the tech sector and their culture has an impact on the collective tech sector culture.

Microsoft X9pl12 Mar 20, 2019

Earn trust in the company context just means that we will hire extremely smart people and then immediately discard their experience and judgement to make them produce lots of data to support their decisions instead. It’s a form of control and some paranoia.

Facebook 🍵👁️‍🗨️ Mar 20, 2019

More or less exactly what OP was arguing. It's that control & paranoia which inhibits success at large. It's toxic.

Wayfair topUser Mar 20, 2019

It's "tenet".

Microsoft new. Mar 20, 2019

You're applying this incorrectly. It's not that employees need to earn the company's trust but the company itself is trying to earn customers' trust. What are you really talking about? Don't generalize

Microsoft lMQO62 OP Mar 20, 2019

I think it’s pretty clear in the OP and you just don’t like the idea. Clearly people and groups in companies consider each other customers of each other. Also, the tenet is broadly applied to all interactions, not merely to customer and producer relations. The tenet being “mis-applied” is the entire point I made. Basically the point went whoosh right over your head.

Microsoft new. Mar 20, 2019

So who hurt you with the mis application? Manager? Skip? Teammates? Got downleveled? Bad connect? What happened?

Amazon cotxyoc Mar 20, 2019

The reasoning behind earn trust is not different than the reasoning behind “safe than sorry” when hiring ... there are just too many pretenders pretending to know things and derail projects With software the bad effects don’t show until much later .. hence the only way is to give enough “bake time” This is also the reason the interview system is broken and no amount of Leetcode can fix it. Leet code is only useful for rank and file levels and for checking basic technical competency But just like LeetCoding is here to stay, so is need to earn trust.

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Microsoft lMQO62 OP Mar 20, 2019

I agree that earning customer trust is important. Customers as in the ones buying things.

Amazon GrumpyDad Mar 20, 2019

These MSFT folks know shit about AMZN culture.

Microsoft lMQO62 OP Mar 20, 2019

I worked there for two years. Bro.

Amazon GrumpyDad Mar 26, 2019

That is why you are not here anymore