Entry Level SWE

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Oct 1, 2019 11 Comments

I invited my long-time roommate to Blind, but realized he doesn’t have a job yet... :(

He graduated from a state school in Comp Sci with a good gpa and a couple internships(albeit in cybersecurity) and is still struggling to get a job in SWE.

He’s pretty down and has been working for months on personal projects to bump up his experience. Any advice for him?

P.S. job market is SoCal

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  • Cisco / Eng
    AdamNeuman

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    Chill bro.
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    Entry level is a bloodbath right now with all these bootcamp people offering to do the work at a fraction of the cost.

    Is he getting phone screens? Is he passing them? Is he getting on-sites? Why is he failing them?

    You need a deeper analysis
    Oct 1, 2019 5
    • Cisco Neumann
      To add more to this:

      No phone screen : resume sucks or lack of referral

      No on-site : terrible phone screen, either lack of leet or communication

      No offer after on-site: luck, lack of leet
      Oct 1, 2019
    • Walmart / Eng literalbot
      Are there statistics around bootcamp grads taking lower TC? I agree that it's a bloodbath but with the transparency in pay for SWEs, I doubt they're taking lower pay compared to a college grad at the same level. There are tons of bootcamp grads that are great engineers.
      Oct 1, 2019
    • Cisco / Eng
      AdamNeuman

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      Look at the average salary of bootcamp grads from “top bootcamps” and compare that to market wages. You’re looking at a 15%-30% delta. They are cheap labor factories.

      Most bootcamp grads are awful engineers compared to their properly educated counterparts. How many bootcamps teach students computer science from first principles? None.

      I’d never hire someone that spent 3-9 months hacking in JavaScript and looked for a fast pass compared to someone that is highly educated in math and physics and spent 4 years learning from first principles.
      Oct 1, 2019
    • Chase / Sales
      TechBanker

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      He has only had one onsite and the guys basically ripped him a new one saying his projects were childish and he should be trying to create enterprise software that can be profitable. Also he said his school projects were completely irrelevant and that he couldn’t comprehend working on the level of code they have there. Is it normal for these guys to be so tough?
      Oct 1, 2019
    • Cisco / Eng
      AdamNeuman

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      Honestly a lot of salaried SWE hate bootcampers because they’re causing labor issues.

      This is a poor analogy but imagine plumbing, electrical work, and carpentry were top paying jobs. Then one day a bunch of Mexicans show up and will work 10x harder for 1/3 the price.

      You’d be pretty pissed too.
      Oct 1, 2019
  • New / Eng UGAg5
    I have several side projects. One is an npm package. One is a telegram bot that uses a private api of an app to retrieve information faster than the official app. One is an electron app I use daily that scrapes a website and displays an RSS (sort of) One exploits some design of a website and retrieves information you are not supposed to see.

    They are mostly in JS and some Python, have proper tests, CI/CD, good documentation and comments (JSdoc, python docstring)

    They do absolutely no help. I have sunk hours, I enjoyed it too but was expecting more use.

    Your friend should at most have 2 projects so they can talk about “a side project”. Other than that, LC and networking.
    Oct 1, 2019 3
    • Apple bogle
      do interviewers not ask about those projects though? are they purely just to put on the resume so that you can get the interviews?
      Oct 1, 2019
    • New / Eng UGAg5
      Thats why I said 2 projects to talk about. I use almost all of them. I have never got an interview because of my side projects. Recruiters ask and I talk about them. But getting experience through side projects and/or improving your resume via side projects is not a real thing.
      Oct 1, 2019
    • Apple bogle
      How in depth are your projects? Do they each use different technologies or similar? Does it look bad if they both use the same?

      Im going for full-stack or back end type roles so im thinking of use spring boot + react + mySQL, idk what to use for the 2nd project though
      Oct 3, 2019
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