Tech IndustryMay 15, 2018
AmazonMay15

Google T4 to T5 promotion

Hi, I received Google offer for T4. There is not much hope of getting promotion to sde3 in Amazon due to recent reorgs happening in my team. Also, learning is limited as there are no good projects in my team, everyone is doing rest and vest. I am considering Google offer. How easy/difficult is it to get promoted to L5 for external hires. What does timeline look like, and what are the traits needed to move upwards. Any comparison with Amazon promotions would be useful. I will be joining Google Cloud team in Fremont. Any career advice is most welcome. 6yoe, sde2, Seattle Current TC: $300k (stock-$1700) Google TC: $300k (plus $30k signon)

Amazon dalejrjr May 15, 2018

Why do you care about level if you will be paid SDE3 money?

Amazon May15 OP May 15, 2018

Levels are important in corporate. You are naive to not realize this, especially in Amazon.

Amazon dalejrjr May 15, 2018

Sure, it's better to be higher level, but you should be happy you're getting 330k offer while being overpaid at Amazon at 60k less. First world problems

Amazon Nkbf63 May 15, 2018

What is the T4 breakdown? Will your TC at Amazon go down by a lot if you don’t get promoted?

Amazon May15 OP May 15, 2018

Yes, in 2020

Oscar dumb|dumb May 15, 2018

Don’t count signon as TC.

Amazon dalejrjr May 15, 2018

I thought Google TC table includes signon?

Oscar dumb|dumb May 15, 2018

Not sure, but I’d look at a table with Base/RSU/Bonus and signon is just an extra cash for the first year.

Google Facebook May 15, 2018

Wow, that’s a lot for L4 with 6 yoe in Seattle. Congrats!

Facebook learner May 15, 2018

All depends on team & manager. I had been through 2 re-orgs in 2 years after getting to T4. After seeing no chance of getting up in near the future I just interviewed other places and left. :)

Amazon May15 OP May 15, 2018

Were you able to get higher level outside?

Google Abfxs May 15, 2018

Thats pretty nice offer for L4. I got promoted to L5 in 1.5 years. Had 3 yrs of experience in AWS. My teammate (MIT phd) got promoted twice in 1.5 years. Because of central promo committee, there is less politics and it all depends on your projects. You need to show 1-2 L5 level projects.

LinkedIn 90091e May 15, 2018

How big are L5 and L6 projects?

New
hermit May 16, 2018

Check out http://levels.fyi

Grab 'em by 🐱 Jan 10, 2019

OP, did you join Google? If so, what do you think the promotion probability is? I am in the same ship as you but about 8-9 months late.