My husband joined Apple 3 months ago. Our second child was 2 months then. He works 18 hours a day and my job, my kids and my entire life is suffering. He can’t quit because he has to return the sign on bonus. His manager and skip are abusive (easily an HR complaint) Is everyone’s work life balance there that bad? Are all teams this bad to their people? ETA: he’s in ops TC: 180k
Which team?
Product ops. Hardware
Ops is horrible, priyas org?
What's his role?
Which team ?
Product ops, hardware
Why would you join a new company when you are expecting ?
More reason to earn more
This. I guess
I would think in a company like Apple, HR would take these things seriously. Have you initiated a discussion yet ? My next question: is he being asked to put in 18 hours or is he doing it himself because he is new ? If latter, then the decision and solution is totally in his hands.
No he’s being asked to put in that much time. Weekend meetings 1:1 with his manager and unrealistic expectations with regard to timelines and yelling at him if work isn’t done
I would suggest initiating a discussion with HR, maybe try changing teams if that is a possibility 3 months in ? On the side, keep options open - either going back to old employer or finding a new job. Please look at the route which offers better mental health and stability for him, which from your description is badly needed. In turn, you both can spend time doing what is the necessary responsibility at the moment. Besides him, it must be really difficult for you and I cannot fathom how you feel, but please just hang in there, you both would be pushing your limits every often. Please don’t lose hope. Things will turn around. Its just a matter of time. I honestly am hoping you have some help besides your husband.
What org is he in?
Apple in general is like that. There are some exceptions e.g AIML but for the most part the company is pretty rotten from a WLB standpoint.
May I ask what org he is in?
What is this shit about aiml, my team has been working 60 hour weeks recently
No this is not the norm. You mention he’s been there for three months. I’m going to guess he’s spending a lot of time on tasks because he’s new and not as efficient as he would be 6 or 8 months into his new job. Ask him about this. Regardless of that, he should never be putting in 18 hours and his team shouldn’t be expecting that out of him. It’s unhealthy and wrong.
BS. That IS the norm and it is by design. I am a senior manager here and we have explicit communication that the company expects teams to underhire and let employees “adjust” to the workload.
I’m talking from an industry perspective not AAPL. But I just realized op meant AAPL specifically. My bad.
I worked somewhere around 70 hrs a week since 2019 … back in 2019 I only took 3 days off for the entire year All of was by choice :) I’m a director now in my early 30s so it paid off. I was born to work and will be happy die working and haven’t had a regret. However, I don’t have any children but have a wife who happens to work 60 hr weeks too on average. So it all depends on your life style and your significant other
Is this by education or personal inclination, you think?
Not sure if I care … all I can tell you is that this is what we both want and it’s been consistent in our lives … she is an oncologist and I have 2 masters degrees in Eng and comp sci plus I spent 3 months at Harvard business school … both of our families were poor and lazy but we aren’t
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Thank you AAPL and NVDA
when i saw title i expected husband to work at amazon, this is a pleasant difference, thank you 🙏
banana > apple
We at Amazon work a max of 12 hours, Fridays and weekends are sacred. Apple is such a shit hole.