This is the ad I saw on Instagram. She ended at $250k salary. Just wondering if this is accurate for L5 at Google (as it is shown in her ad below).
Seems too low. L5 is way higher
She is an EA who became a Program manager and made 250k. It's very impressive!
No one is saying it isn’t impressive. People are commenting on how it doesn’t seem impressive enough for someone to spend advertising money on.
Blind tech bros are not her audience. Her actual audience is huge: people stuck in EA-like jobs. I.e. most young Americans
Step one get a job at Google. Step two... Profit?
Step 1) get a contract job Step 2) woo the right people inside to get you a permanent role. This happens in every company
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Lmao imagine advertising 250k TC at L5 😂 sounds bottom of band tbh
Yes, it’s 0cm. For my gender that’s generally considered good.
If it’s 250 salary then that’s too high. 250 is L6/L7. If it’s 250k TC (salary + bonus + RSU) then that’s low. It should be about 370k TC for L5
She’s a program manager, not an engineer. Probably total comp of $250K, which is on the lower end of L5 but would make sense since she was internally promoted (versus having negotiating power externally)
250 seems low even for a program manager
I know nothing about this particular person but tons of these L5 no tech PgMs weren’t doing real work and were bounced In January.
I wouldn’t say they were doing no real work. I’d say that Google doesn’t value T/PgM’s as a role. I witnessed many get laid off solely because of their level, no one looked at the work they were doing. Many were performing at levels higher than their actual level because it’s nearly impossible to be promoted in engineering program manager roles… again, because Google doesn’t value the role.
Well you looped TPMs into this when I said non tech PgMs. In my experience TPMs arr very valued and overworked. let’s be honest, there were tons of PgMs working on DEI and other random HR stuff that got cut. Core PMO got cut huge too and let me assure you many of them were doing no real work, with a ridiculous number of L8ICs!
Is program manager their way of calling project manager? If so, what does a quarter mill project mgr do that a 80k project manager can’t? Like does she write data analysis scripts on the project management side of things?
Not sure about this specific person. But yes, program managers do write scripts for data analysis. The ladder states that a TPM or a PgM in engineering has technical acumen of L-1 equivalent SWE. Most reqs require 3-5 years of coding experience. There are also PgM’s in business roles with nominal technical requirements. The difference between program managers and project managers is that project managers typically manage a project “soup to nuts”, and then they move in to another project once it’s “done”. Program managers manage to outcomes- adoption, operations, kpi’s, xFN integration post launch for multiple related projects. It’s more if a scope distinction than a technical accumen thing.
I was half expecting this to be a joke with the last step being an OF link
that doesn't sound impressive enough to advertise
You're out of your mind
in 10 years a company goes IPO, in 6 years she made the starting salary of an Applied Scientist at Amazon. It's good but it's not wow. it's normal for US standards