I am a level 4 at Google. I hosted an intern and he would leave me negative feedback. Would this affect my promo etc? I admit that I was a little impatient and didn’t do my best helping him. TC: 210K Edits: I am really surprised that this post has triggered so much anger from people. I guess this shows how you guys are fucked up by bad managers? Sigh..
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How much TC would be enough to make you move?
Depends. This is the sort of thing that helps tip borderline ratings one way or another. I doubt this intern’s feedback alone will sink you, but if it reflects a pattern you’ll pay for it.
Did you leave them negative feedback?
I gave meet expectation
Did they?
Sounds like you're aware of the issue which is good. Think through how you'd improve and then actually improve. Make up for it with another intern if you're trying to move into management or try not to manage interns if it's not an interest of yours because it'll do you both a disservice.
Out of curiosity, what did you do wrong when you say “impatient”?
OP flipped a table when the intern uses emacs
... and implemented vim in it, and then used that to code
That’s their way of saying fuck you and your future promo. 🍿
Really? Is this taken into account when perf?
Yes
Stay IC. You aint manager material
Level 4 has a long way to go manager route anyways. Not impossible to learn in that amount of time.
People can start managing at l5
How did you learn what the feedback was? Do they share it these days? And did you get any useful pointers to act on? Don't repeat this next time you request an intern.
So by your own admission, your intern left you appropriate feedback and you are only now worried about how it might affect you, instead of actually having done a decent job with the intern in the first place? For the future, if you feel you are unable to deliver what you would accept for yourself to a subordinate, do what you can to make that clear so you both can iron out a new way to move forward. That way someone won’t feel left behind and you will get to work on your conflict resolution instead of just essentially ghosting
I know this is a nit so feel free to tell me to fuck off, but I cringe when I see “subordinate” used in reference to the people one manages or who are under one’s influence. Folks usually mean no harm by it but I think it sets up an insidious mental frame for being a good manager. That role when played right is more about coaching and empowering than ruling over. No offense meant just couldn’t resist the opportunity to put this pet peeve out there. I totally agree with your recommendation, btw.
Not at all I completely understand where you are coming from and I sometimes pause at which word I use, but in this case it is very much appropriate. An intern while potentially exceptionally capable has very little if any leverage with which to work in terms of what projects they get, how much they are involved and where in that project their opinion is going to hold weight. By that definition they are wholly subordinate to whomever is their direct contact that will be in charge of assessing their skill for which they received their internship and then ensure that they are working on a task that is accomplishable for their skill level while also providing a challenge and helping that intern to grow their soft skills ( time management, prioritizing work, professionally pushing back on an idea of their area of expertise suggests another path might be more effective for the desired outcome etc). This is the ideal situation for an intern to occupy and because of that they are not a fully functioning member of a team just yet. They have responsibilities but they are heavily restricted to how they accomplish their tasks and therefore by definition are entirely subordinate to whomever is responsible for them. The rub is that the person “in charge” of the intern, not to be considered as ordering them around like a peon but instead sharing the responsibility for the interns achievements and failures, should take this role seriously as that experience can build or completely destroy the confidence of a potential future colleague and that’s not something to take lightly. The point of an internship is not truly to gain experience in terms of doing a job but instead to gain experience about how you do that job well. Technical skills can be gained from a textbook, but that’s only a very small part of actual skills and people would do well to internalize that.
Your intern left you appropriate feedback*
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Why don't use the Bell icon above?
I always wondered that too