What happened to old fashioned flame and tech wars online?
Now every discussion online(not only here) seems to be about compensation, new VC hipster products like AirBNB for dogs or SWJ inclusive stuff at some company I miss the old days when you read Slashdot and an article about a new Java release would get 400 comments how much Java sucks or how anyone ever could work for IBM or Sun. Now people are gladly working at companies like Palantir or Facebook that is totally against the typical silicon valley hacker philosophy of open source and rational debate. Seems like the new (5-10 years since) type of students are more career and product types than enjoying those nerdy discussions, what do you think? Look at this video with Steve jobs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-tKLISfPE , never saw someone asking Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos such stuff
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Tech has taken mainstream society and the pool of tech workers has mushroomed. It’s not only tech nerds anymore, but people who get into tech for the career opportunities and who are less interested technological side and more interested in the societal impact. So yes, tech conversations have changed a lot.
Yeah some of those new guys haven't even compiled their own kernel on their linux laptop with LILO multi boot or been running a server outside AWS so sad
Or wasnt born in 1960s, you gotta be a real moron to compile your own kernel nowadays with the wide variety of VMs, containers and cloud providers
Money happened. So now we are stuck with a kazillion mercenaries with no love for the craft. Waiting for a recession to flush out the fools
They left in dotCom crash. They didn’t leave in the Great Recession. Doubtful they’ll leave this next time. They have no marketable skills and they’ve gotten awfully good at becoming indispensable, peddling things like Scrum, SAFe, PMP certifications, etc. this is a damned easy job and the higher ups have no sense of how it gets done.
Recession didn’t hit tech too much. Especially compared to the dot com crash that specifically targeted tech
Facebook against open source? What are you smoking? Have you seen our github projects? React? Open compute? Maybe you should turn your brain on from time to time..
I have no brain, you insensitive clod!
This was my first thought, Facebook might be one of the biggest contributors to open source or at least maintaining some of the most significant projects. Regardless, silicon valley was never about open source so it's a ridiculous argument to begin with.
Please kindly get off your “I’m the OG better than you” elitist horse.
It's not that at all, was more a general observation how the typical coder type has shifted
Take off the rose colored glasses, friend. Slash for circa 1999 was a fuckton of people decrying how “easy” things had gotten with Windows, Perl, PHP, and HTML letting non-programmers into the cathedral. All the 1337 crowd was truly good at was tribalism and arguing, caring nothing about the User, who ya know...paid the fucking bills. “Linux on the desktop” is still a joke 20 years later because the “many eyes” couldn’t do the hard, tedious shit necessary to make good experiences. I love what’s come out of F/OSS. But it’s really an anomaly, and it’ll be interesting to see how things evolve in the next 20 years as the founders retire/die.
Agreed. The same slashdot elitism and arrogance was rampant in computer science departments back then. People were definitely more passionate about their stuff then. On the other hand I am certain none of these new kids really care for the user which is if caring for the user didn’t pay these stratospheric tech salaries none one would give a fick. Tech is basically the new investment banking. No one is in it for the craft, everyone is here for the $
Fair. I never thought I’d be making so much money. There are definitely people in the industry (not developers, but the periphery) pulling down scratch who couldn’t care less. Maybe that’s fine, and a sign of maturity?
Oh it’s absolutely become a debased culture out here. Remember when the mantra used to be “information wants to be free” We went from that to monopolized companies that are propaganda arms for the deep state. We went from do no evil, to pure evil
"Typical silicon valley hacker philosophy of open source..." 🤔
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/02/the-definitive-story-of-steve-wozniak-steve-jobs-and-phone-phreaking/273331/ yep