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seriously what's stopping ?? I see many recruiters messaging me , on working in some new domain areas. Sometimes I found the description of the role very lucrative, but then I see amazon comp on top of that, its culture, yuck with reputation. Why such a top company with so much money , cannot care about its employees , why can't they take proper decisions . I am pretty sure the strategy team can see attrition data. So why cannot they take actions against it , fix the comp and culture. why so much love with these leadership principles. I am not scared of pip, if I joined amazon , but the culture scares me. Edit : 1] Very much surprised for the amount of likes and comments. Thank you for the responses. 2] Also sorry for my bad grammar, lol. Even though, I am not a native English Speaker, Please avoid being racial about this. #tech #google #amazon #meta
They even give free banana to employees, what else do you want?
For years their strategy worked for them, unfortunately. It's best for profits at the cost of anything and everything. But ever since the covid era hit and with labor shortage and visa issues and other companies paying very very well, they started to see the problems even more. That is my guess.
Humans are cattle for Amazon corporation. Is hard to grasp if you work previously in a company with good culture
Exactly. You're just a cow in a farm for them, producing code instead of milk. Eventually you'd be processed (aka pipped) to maximize farm's profits.
Their strategy is Darwinian, it works for them. As long as they have bodies to throw at it, why change? Survival of the fittest is a thing, if it works well for mother nature, then why should it not work for Amazon? They value their approach so much that they are willing to pay handsomely for the brave souls that take the challenge. I feel bad for those individuals that join without knowing what they are getting into. It is kill or be killed 🙂
This is epic reply! I always tell people I refer, Getting into Amazon is easy and Amazon Job is hard(at least technical roles). That’s why the attrition rate is so high. People can’t take abuse for too long.
Is getting into Amazon easy? All the stories of bar raisers and LPs don’t make it seem so, at least at L6/7 levels. I never applied to Amazon due to the toxic culture reputation so haven’t experienced an Amazon interview personally.
Amazon leadership actually call the knowledge workers “fungible resources” in meetings (I was there) and so they can just swap out attrition with more from the supposedly never-ending queue of meat-sacks…. and the fresh-meat is assumed to be better than fifty percent of the current “fungible resources” at the same level…. so they are paid more than existing victims and the attrition vortex accelerates.
I just started at Amazon and all the people I have interacted with seem genuinly happy to work here. So far, I am not understanding all of the flack Amazon gets here on Blind. Maybe it is too early for me to say but it doesn't seem to be that kind of toxic culture. My manager and all pf my teammates have been incredibly helpful.
It's team dependent, same as everywhere else. But the leadership in place and the processes mean that you're more likely to be on a bad team. Behaviour considered toxic at other companies are often seen as a good thing in managers at Amazon.
Agreed. The comp issue recently left a sour taste in my team’s mouths, but we lost no one and the team is generally thriving (personal and professional). The only exception is our senior sde who seems to be pretty overstretched atm. WLB is actually the primary driver keeping me on the team (there are other product areas that interest me more, but ours is high-impact high-visibility so its more of an issue of preference on what i want to work on)
It’s an intentional decision to favour the results and environment over employee friendly culture. They why improve??? It’s not an accidental culture, but very very deliberate.
Informed candidates are also now making intentional decisions when presented with a written offer from Amazon/AWS and just using that offer for entry TC negotiations somewhere - anywhere - else. When options are available then candidates can choose, in a way that is very very deliberate, to reject abusive management culture.
Is it really that bad
Culture is a product of the people in the company. So if you have the same people, how can the culture change. It can only change once you have new people. Now you can tell me about Amazon's attrition. To which I'll say, those people leaving probably were not culture influences anyway. Those who have the power and sway to influence culture are probably not leaving. Worse it sounds like some Amazonians go to other tech companies and bring their toxic culture with them, affecting parts of other organizations. I'm sure there are many ways to run a monetarily successful organization. It's unfortunate some pick the whip.
They’re not referring to team culture. They’re referring to management culture. Those are not the same thing
Why would they change if they get tons of applications daily.
yes , but still its not stable, amazon has least offer acceptance , I heard google don't even compete with amazon offers, as people always chose google. there will be no long term talented employees joining , most of them have already left. Even though considering there is influx of talent from low tier companies to amazon , but those are temporary imo.
Higher ups live in their own bubble of leadership principles and won't buy your logic, unfortunately. It's all about resource and head counts which they can fulfill easily given large amount of applications. Empathy can wait.