Google L6 EM mountain view compensation

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Grrumm

Amazon Other

PRE
Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
BIO
Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
Grrummmore
Jul 22, 2018 31 Comments

Hi all, (Googlers especially)

Current L6 Amazon SDM with AI/ML/big data background with TC touching $450+ due to stock growth. 8 yrs total yoe and 4 years in management.

HC approved and I need to negotiate comp with Google for L6 EM next week.
I have competing offers both Amazon internal and others.
I am planning to set expectations at $550 TC with a $300 base. For bay area. Am I in the right ball park? What is the range for this role? Can someone link that big thread where the ranges were aggregated? Unable to search and find now.

Any tips welcome.

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    • LinkedIn / Eng G00G0L
      At Google, engineers make equally important decisions. Especially L6+.

      I know at least one case (at LinkedIn) that got a bump when decided to switch from Eng Manager to Staff Eng (equal level).
      Jul 22, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng G00G0L
      What I heard is that L6 IC and L6 EM have the same band, so should be compensated about the same.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Facebook coffee?
      At Facebook (and presumably G) management is lateral to IC - it’s not a promotion. Pay bands are exactly the same for equivalent levels.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Lyft / Eng nSJk48
      It is really the company’s philosophy. For companies like Amazon or Microsoft, I can see management track could be slightly higher than IC for the same band, but definitely not industry standards. From my previous and current experience, they are usually on the same band, and some times ICs are higher.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      I've certainly seen that some of my awesome reports make more than what I make. But on average, in Amazon, the management track is paid slightly higher.
      Jul 22, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng G00G0L
    I’m not at that level so take my words with a grain of salt.

    I think $550 TC is a bit high but doable with strong competing offers. The 300 base is the unreasonable part IMHO. 250 is a more reasonable base for L6, although still a little high. With $250k base, your target bonus will be $50k, which will get you to $300k.

    That leaves about $250k for annual equity. That’s $1m vested over 4 years.
    Jul 22, 2018 0
  • Google xom
    Don't expect base to be anywhere close to $300K. I've seen L7 SWEs at Google with a lower base. So no way you will get $300K at L6. $550K might be the absolute max in terms of TC and you might not even get that without competing offers.
    Jul 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      Thanks.
      Jul 22, 2018
  • Lyft Lyftsoft
    lol, 300 base :D good luck
    Jul 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      Thanks. 🙂
      Jul 22, 2018
  • Google / Eng nopromo
    My estimation: Expect around $400-$450k default offer, closer to $200k base. To move up from there you’ll need external offers from competitor companies higher than that.

    Might be different if you have a research background in ML with top pedigree but I don’t think that’s the case.
    Jul 22, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      I do have research background. Maybe not super pedigree. But I have three patents. Seems like I should bring this in as a talking point for domain expertise/hard to hire skills.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      450 will not match my Amazon comp actually after premium market adjustment (CoL)
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Google / Eng nopromo
      You can try, I was mainly aiming at if you are looking at a research scientist role with top tier conference publications. Are you looking at Cloud ML org?

      Keep in mind that typically comp at current company isn’t matched because they know you want to leave and they know stock appreciation is a huge factor. Unless they really want you. Many L4 here apply to Facebook complain they won’t match their inflated 300k+ salary but why would they?

      The best tips are to get competing external offers. Otherwise it’s really out of your hands, up to VP. Good luck.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      Thanks for the tip. Not cloud ml. Sorry don't want to disclose too much of specifics here at the moment.
      Jul 22, 2018
  • Facebook lstagram
    L6 at G with 8 yoe is kinda unheard of. Normally you wouldn’t even get L5 w/o >10 yoe. Comp wise, 600k in CA is like 420k in WA. So I’d really think twice before moving there. There’re plenty of positions in Seattle/Kirkland.
    Jul 22, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      Well I have the HC approval. I interviewed with directors and vp in and high level ICs including a scientist in the loop. So your indication that this is rare should work in my favor. Thanks.
      I want to be in SV for my long term career. Sick of Seattle weather too.
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Facebook lstagram
      You can always fly away for weather if it bothers you. The money you get in Seattle can buy you a better quality vacation, and it’s already the second SV. Anyhow, that’s your life of course:)
      How old are you btw? No family/kids I assume?
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      SV is non negotiable in my family's (size 4) case. We want constant good weather. This is certainly not my terminal level. I'm middle aged. Long academic career (PhD). Later than most, industry entrance.
      Jul 22, 2018
  • Google zusammen
    It is possible to get more than $600k TC. I have seen L5s getting $1.5m in stock compensation but they had competing offers.
    Jul 23, 2018 2
    • Apple Google L7
      L5 $1.5M is not realistic. Should max our at 700-800k. They would offer L6 or higher if willing to give $1.5M
      Jul 23, 2018
    • Google zusammen
      It is possible with VP s approval
      Jul 25, 2018
  • Microsoft TellMyWifi
    Seems low outside of base. A buddy of mine was offered $295 base with a lot more stock than you’re asking for and it was a business role.
    Jul 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      Ok so maybe I push TC ask to 600.
      Thanks.
      Jul 22, 2018
  • Amazon / Other
    Grrumm

    Amazon Other

    PRE
    Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
    BIO
    Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
    Grrummmore
    OP
    This is an eng manager role. I will most likely have scientists and engineers reporting to me for the problem to be solved.
    Jul 22, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng nopromo
      That might carry weight. But definitely get external offers at the 500-600 range to be safe. They won’t pay more than they think they need to unless you are very special (which I can’t know).
      Jul 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Other
      Grrumm

      Amazon Other

      PRE
      Earth Index, Heavenly Couture
      BIO
      Doomed. Need a career reboot. Uber rescinded my offer. Previously wasted a lot of time and effort at Alexa voice shopping.
      Grrummmore
      OP
      There might be a bit of that (special fit).
      Jul 22, 2018

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